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            <blockquote cite="coolhaken"><div class="quotecite">引言回覆 coolhaken 的話：</div>我試著轉了一片 OX 棋，您可以先試試看嗎？<br /><br />https://mega.co.nz/#!NJEWhYiD!dpP8VGVv0gpoNKiAnPtgMFSVHj0ROlgFRztSLKnZIi8<br /><br />另外，那片四則運算可否請您再試著備份幾次(三至五次)，<br />我可試著比對各次的結果看看能不能修復鏡像。<br /></blockquote>好的，晚點我換台磁碟機再來試試，希望有好消息！<br />OX棋我不知如何使用？<br />是在模擬器上嗎？(如何執行？)<img class="emotion" alt="傻眼" title="傻眼" src="https://i.gbc.tw/2008/emotions/2.gif" border="0" /><br />或是在APPLE II上執行？(還沒學會如何儲存到APPLE II磁碟機上)<img class="emotion" alt="汗" title="汗" src="https://i.gbc.tw/2008/emotions/11.gif" border="0" /><br />
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